Dan ZhaoKeymasterNovember 5, 2020 at 1:44 pmPost count: 10
Question from MWO McKeough:
“I have 3 questions for the RCEME Forum:
As a vehicle technician back in the 90’s I still recall getting hung up on vehicles, due to ill-fitting coveralls which were too large, or having them ride up while I was bent over trying to remove track or tires etc. Often we were not permitted to wear them tied around our waists, due to the safety purpose of having our arms covered, the sleeves then hanging from our waist lines, droopy pants and unprofessional appearance.
My questions to the forum are as follow:
1) Why after all these years do our RCEME technicians across the CAF still have to, for the majority of workshops, be forced to wear ill-fitting, morale-dampening coveralls when there are far superior options which are much more suitable for today’s technicians.
2) Are there any plans to change the current NSN grey coveralls issued to our RCEME technicians?
3) When could they reasonably expect to have a change or how could the RCEME Corp go about getting them changed to a modern pant shirt combo reflective of mechanics/technicians you see in downtown shops?
I will add further context just to help you understand the where this is coming from; should it be required for the forum or research, as I am not exactly sure how this works.
Mat Techs, often get money for their welding to have specialty welding helmets at $200.00-$400.00 each plus their fire proof aprons, pants and gloves.
Weapons and EO Techs, usually just wear smocks and don’t often move around in the same awkward or dirty positions required as Veh Techs (out and indoors).
Veh Techs, are both indoors, outdoors, confined spaces, and on the floor, and quite dirty and bent thus needing the right fitting clothes, not too baggy nor too tight.
Common alternatives already practiced.
Valcartier has gone and used a safety budget to work around the system somewhat (but this is a work around, and not standardized, but proof that troops are not satisfied with the standard issued coveralls as one example; I am informally tracking).
CFB Esquimalt’s work point workshop has its own blue coveralls with zippers that have their own TEME badge that gets laundered by a private contract, but the fit is better with snap buttons that don’t hand on the equipment as bad as the Grey coveralls, but even those are an outdated style from 15 years ago, so it may have changed by now.
Civilian DND or Calian mechanics often just wear a pant and shirt combination to work, which match what downtown civilian mechanics are currently doing. If RCEME could get it’s Maintainers a Shirt, Pant combo it would require that they could bring more clothing to the field, for example Cooks get authorized more baggage for their “whites” when deploying on exercise or overseas, RCEME soldiers would also require that authorization for extra baggage.
The Air Force and Navy Technicians currently wear different clothing when doing repairs on ship or on the runways hence, perhaps the RCEME Corp could consider socializing this with the current times in mind to ensure that their technicians are given the right safety clothing to allow for both mobility, safety and comfort, thus enhancing morale for future generations to come.
- This topic was modified 1 year, 2 months ago by Dan Zhao.
Dan ZhaoKeymasterNovember 5, 2020 at 1:45 pmPost count: 10
Answer from RCEME Secretariat:
DAPES est en train de voir leur programme pour le changement des combinaisons grises. La solution la plus rapide pour l’instant serait de trouver un produit de remplacement prêt à l’emploi au lieu d’en développer un.
Nous savons que les combinaisons grises sont passées date. Nous voulons les changer et nous avons besoin de votre opinion. Veuillez fournir vos recommandations pour des produits de remplacement pour les combinaisons grises actuelles au Slt Zhao à Daniel.Zhao@forces.gc.ca. Ça peut être un nom d’un produit ou des photos. Nous planifions envoyer nos recommandations dans les délais de 2 semaines.
Des mises à jour seront fournis au fur et à mesure qu’il y aura de développement à ce sujet.
Vous pouvez aussi nous envoyer vos suggestions en répondant directement ici.
DSSPM is currently looking into the timeline for changing the grey coveralls. The quickest solution would be to find a replacement product off the shelves instead of developing one internally.
We know that grey coveralls are outdated. We want to change them; moreover, we need your opinion. Please provide recommendations of replacement product(s) for current issued grey coveralls to 2Lt Zhao at Daniel.Zhao@forces.gc.ca. It can be a searchable product name or photos. We are planning to send in our recommendations in two weeks’ time.
More updates will follow on this issue as there will be more development.
You can also send in your suggestions by replying to this feed.
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Dan ZhaoKeymasterNovember 12, 2020 at 3:42 amPost count: 10
Mise à jour: le Directeur des besoins en ressources terrestres (DBRT) vont identifier les usagers des coveralls à travers les FAC afin de déterminer leur utilisation. Une fois qu’ils ont cela de déterminé, DLR vont contacter le Corps afin de mieux comprendre les exigences du GEMRC et créer une solution pour ce problème.
Update: The Director Land Requirements going to look at the fleet of coveralls across the CAF to determine what each is utilized for. Once they have done this, DLR will liaise with the Corps to begin understanding the RCEME requirements and start putting together a solution to this ongoing issue.
Dan ZhaoKeymasterMay 20, 2021 at 3:52 pmPost count: 10
Il y a deux solutions à long terme sous discussion.
1. DAPES sont en train de revoir les exigences de sécurité pour l’acquisition de nouvelles combinaisons. Ils achètent présentement des combinaisons anti-FOD utilisé par l’aviation; des combinaison additionnelle peuvent être ajoutées à la commande si acceptable par les exigences du GEMRC;
2. Si les exigences GEMRC se sont pas satisfaits, un nouveau projet va être développé par DBRT, demandant 2-4 ans de temps avant la livraison.
Une solution à court terme est sous discussion. Plus de nouvelles sur cela bientôt.
There are two long term solutions under work.
1. DSSPM is looking again at the Safety requirements for the acquisition of new coveralls. They are currently making a buy of Anti-FOD coveralls used by the Airforce, additional buys will be sent along if acceptable by RCEME requirements; and
2. If the RCEME requirements are not met, a new project will be developed by DLR, which takes 2-4 years to meet delivery.
Short term solutions are currently being discussed. News on that soon.
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